Important: These forums are for discussions between SkyDemon users. They are not routinely monitored by SkyDemon staff so any urgent issues should be sent directly to our Customer Support.

Fuel Planning Terminology


Author
Message
F70100
F
Too Much Forum (60 reputation)Too Much Forum (60 reputation)Too Much Forum (60 reputation)Too Much Forum (60 reputation)Too Much Forum (60 reputation)Too Much Forum (60 reputation)Too Much Forum (60 reputation)Too Much Forum (60 reputation)Too Much Forum (60 reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 5, Visits: 7
Full disclosure: I'm coming back to VFR from 25 years of airline flying so by all means take all this with a pinch of salt.

I'm finding one of the terms used in SkyDemon to describe the various categories of fuel required for any particular flight somewhat misleading.

SkyDemon uses the term "Holding Time" fuel to describe what in IFR flying would be "Final Reserve" fuel. i.e. the quantity of fuel loaded which you hope never to have to burn. If it becomes apparent that an IFR flight will land with less than the full amount of Final Reserve fuel on board, it is expected that an emergency will be declared. IFR flight planning also requires a minimum of 30 minutes "holding fuel" to be carried, but this is fuel that you can use if required, and is in addition to Final Reserve fuel.

Part-NCO requires VFR flights to carry "minimum fuel reserves", and this is analogous to "final reserve" in IFR.

I respectfully suggest that the term "Holding Time" be changed to "Minimum Fuel Reserves" to emphasise the point that this fuel is the last drop available, and align the terminology with Part-NCO. If fuel is required for "holding", it might more appropriate to account for it separately, or even add it to the contingency fuel.

I'm new around here; not trying to change the world, just thinking out load really.

Reply
lhe
lhe
Too Much Forum (16K reputation)Too Much Forum (16K reputation)Too Much Forum (16K reputation)Too Much Forum (16K reputation)Too Much Forum (16K reputation)Too Much Forum (16K reputation)Too Much Forum (16K reputation)Too Much Forum (16K reputation)Too Much Forum (16K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 154, Visits: 445
F70100 - 7/25/2024 4:11:42 PM
Of course, Non Commercial Ops don't require Holding Fuel or Alternate Fuel but if you want to cover the risk that these scenarios present, fuel for that should be extra to Minimum Fuel Reserves.

Actually they do. The relevant parts of NCO.OP.125: The pilot-in-command shall ensure that the quantity of fuel/energy and oil that is carried on board is sufficient, taking into account [...] any delays that are expected in flight [...]

And a non-commercial IFR flight generally needs an alternate.


GO

Merge Selected

Merge into selected topic...



Merge into merge target...



Merge into a specific topic ID...




Threaded View
Threaded View
F70100 - 10/12/2020 4:42:58 PM
marioair - 12/16/2023 8:20:59 AM
lhe - 7/21/2024 5:13:40 PM
Tim Dawson - 7/22/2024 9:00:39 AM
F70100 - 7/22/2024 9:16:48 AM
lhe - 7/22/2024 9:39:03 AM
grahamb - 7/22/2024 10:54:14 AM
                     There are two different but related issues. - That the pilot...
lhe - 7/23/2024 4:44:18 PM
F70100 - 7/23/2024 5:16:26 PM
Tim Dawson - 7/25/2024 9:02:53 AM
lhe - 7/25/2024 12:45:16 PM
grahamb - 7/25/2024 1:38:33 PM
lhe - 7/25/2024 1:45:23 PM
                         I've quoted the regs exactly as they are. Ask our CAA what they mean!...
grahamb - 7/25/2024 2:50:46 PM
                             Both those scenarios make the case for separate fuel allocations:...
F70100 - 7/25/2024 4:11:42 PM
                                 Actually they do. The relevant parts of NCO.OP.125: The...
lhe - 7/30/2024 8:53:24 AM
Tim Dawson - 7/29/2024 9:21:10 AM

Reading This Topic

Login

Explore
Messages
Mentions
Search